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If I never played Thief before will I enjoy them today? I don't even know how someone would answer that.
IIRC the gog ones have the QOL mods preapplied as always. Multiple resolutions etc.is the GoG or Steam versions better?
If I never played Thief before will I enjoy them today? I don't even know how someone would answer that.
It also depends on your game preferences and gameplay style.If I never played Thief before will I enjoy them today? I don't even know how someone would answer that.
Which is why Steam version is better: the standard version of TFix has some "fixes" that actually change how some parts of the game work, like removing the ability to climb on certain objects because the modder behind TFix thinks "It was an oversight to allow the player to mantle up an opened door, so I removed the physics for standing on that object".IIRC the gog ones have the QOL mods preapplied as always. Multiple resolutions etc.is the GoG or Steam versions better?
Ooh. Is this the TFix hate thread now? Cause I can add to this. TFix fucks up The Dark Project/Gold in a bunch of other ways as well. It takes a bunch of assets from Thief 2 and imports them into Thief 1 but the result is a fucking mess. First up he replaced a ton of textures with higher resolution T2 textures. Now on paper that doesn't sound too bad but Thief 2 had support for colored lighting, Thief 1 didn't and its textures were designed around that. As a result the new textures look really bland color-wise and the artstyle in general suffers.Which is why Steam version is better: the standard version of TFix has some "fixes" that actually change how some parts of the game work, like removing the ability to climb on certain objects because the modder behind TFix thinks "It was an oversight to allow the player to mantle up an opened door, so I removed the physics for standing on that object".IIRC the gog ones have the QOL mods preapplied as always. Multiple resolutions etc.is the GoG or Steam versions better?
This ruins some fan missions where the authors, using the original physics of the game, do indeed intend for the player to climb up certain objects.
It also makes it impossible to climb out of bounds in some original missions, which sounds like a fix at first glance, but then you remember that Thief is an immersive sim where experimenting with the environment and discovering paths the developers didn't intend is the entire point of the game.
The guy even went as far as putting invisible walls in some places in the original missions, to "fix" the player being able to climb over walls "that weren't intended to be climbed over" by crate stacking or other (intended!) engine tricks.
TFix is shit, manually install NewDark instead.
Yeah because it's hidden in patch notes rather than openly communicated to the user. Because the guy behind TFix claims those are "common sense fixes" that everyone will appreciate! Even though it literally makes some fan missions unplayable, because their authors designed them with the original object physics in mind.I always just unchecked all those options. Never knew there were other things it did under the hood.
No, the author community does not embrace the changes made by TFix. Everyone just assumes things work as they should. It actually came as a bit of a surprise when we found out about these changes and how they can affect FMs without anyone knowing about it.Are there FM maps that actually factor in those changes? Because that would be extremely, EXTREMELY fucking obnoxious (it already pisses me off that i have to keep different source ports and different versions of GZDoom for various wads).
BZZZZZZZZZZZTTTT. WRONG. Well, slightly wrong. Even if you uncheck everything TFix will still replace a shit-ton of textures with Thief 2 assets and import in Thief 2's AI for the human enemies. TFix Lite doesn't do that. (Although last time I installed either was a few years ago so it might've changed since.)A lot of that stuff was always optional to me:
They also have a lite version of TFix but apparently that isn't supported anymore. I guess the regular version with all those options unchecked is the lite version now.
I always just unchecked all those options. Never knew there were other things it did under the hood.
Wait, are you sure about this? I've got the GOG versions installed and just tried mantling an open door to check:Which is why Steam version is better: the standard version of TFix has some "fixes" that actually change how some parts of the game work, like removing the ability to climb on certain objects because the modder behind TFix thinks "It was an oversight to allow the player to mantle up an opened door, so I removed the physics for standing on that object".
Wait, are you sure about this? I've got the GOG versions installed and just tried mantling an open door to check:Which is why Steam version is better: the standard version of TFix has some "fixes" that actually change how some parts of the game work, like removing the ability to climb on certain objects because the modder behind TFix thinks "It was an oversight to allow the player to mantle up an opened door, so I removed the physics for standing on that object".
Cheers, posted before you got your edit in and didn't see it.See my above post. The GOG Versions come with Tfix Lite only. The author Vodoo47 himself confirmed this just a few hours ago on the gog forums:
https://af.gog.com/forum/thief_series/does_the_gog_version_of_thief_gold_use_tfix_lite?as=1649904300
GoG Installers should be fine.
hell yeah! just don't make the mistake I did. don't go ill prepared into the bonehoardIf I never played Thief before will I enjoy them today? I don't even know how someone would answer that.
If I never played Thief before will I enjoy them today? I don't even know how someone would answer that.