Yet Another Morrowind Thread

[NecroLord]

If you need one good combat skill, you can't go wrong with Long Blade.

!? Spear is easily the best melee class for two reasons: tied to max hp increase on level up (spear is the only weapon class governed by endurance) so you have heavy incentive to focus on spear from the get-go (big oversight on bethesda's part), and spears have the longest reach which is useful in many ways.

To each his own.
Though I agree that the reach granted by the Spear provides a considerable tactical advantage.
Also you only need one Spear - Spear of Bitter Mercy (though you have to do Sheogorath's quest to get it).

 

[Ash]

Sorry, no difference of opinion. Spear is objectively the best. The significance of those two things far outshines all other melee.

 

[Arrowgrab]

Finished Dagoth Ur last night, with a save game going back... 5 years or so. Just pecking away here and there, and finally decided to finish that game recently. Think it's the Horators line that just kills all progress. For me, thats the dullest point in the game, but so close to the end. But I love starting up new games just to meet Crasus Curio and get the dweomer puzzlebox all the same. For those more familiar, just a question if you'll humor me:

Kind of thinking about it as I spoke to Vivec and then to Dagoth Ur. Any way to determine how Neverar was actually killed? There are conflicting reports, and Vivec denies it, but I couldn't ask Dagoth Ur.

There's also Sermon 29 in the 36 Lessons of Vivec, and the secret message hidden therein.

Beware, explicit spoilers:
Solving the code gets you what seems to be a confession by Vivec to killing Nerevar and taking his divine power.

 

[NecroLord]

Finished Dagoth Ur last night, with a save game going back... 5 years or so. Just pecking away here and there, and finally decided to finish that game recently. Think it's the Horators line that just kills all progress. For me, thats the dullest point in the game, but so close to the end. But I love starting up new games just to meet Crasus Curio and get the dweomer puzzlebox all the same. For those more familiar, just a question if you'll humor me:

Kind of thinking about it as I spoke to Vivec and then to Dagoth Ur. Any way to determine how Neverar was actually killed? There are conflicting reports, and Vivec denies it, but I couldn't ask Dagoth Ur.

There's also Sermon 29 in the 36 Lessons of Vivec, and the secret message hidden therein.

Beware, explicit spoilers:
Solving the code gets you what seems to be a confession by Vivec to killing Nerevar and taking his divine power.

Not just Vivec, but the entire Tribunal betrayed Nerevar.
Though Vivec was most likely the one who killed him.

 

[ERYFKRAD]

Sorry, no difference of opinion. Spear is objectively the best. The significance of those two things far outshines all other melee.

Ok Redguard

 

[Jaedar]

Sorry, no difference of opinion. Spear is objectively the best. The significance of those two things far outshines all other melee.

Spears are all 2 handed so you can't pair them with block. Spears also have relatively low damage for being 2 handed, the other 2 handed options tend to have roughly 50% more max damage, at least for the daedric variant.

 

[Ash]

Don't need block nor raw damage output when the enemies can't even reach you. Keep spamming thrusts while backing up. Or attack from higher elevation where they can't reach you.

 

[Clockwork Knight]

But you need the max HP increase you leveled up spear for?

 

[Ash]

Yes. Magic. Cramped encounters (dungeon entry). Archers. Falling damage, drowning damage etc. Max HP is always good.

 

[NecroLord]

But you need the max HP increase you leveled up spear for?

Most effective strategy is to just maximize your Endurance early on and as soon as possible.
Heavy Armor (governed by Endurance) is a good choice for this, as is the Spear skill (also governed by Endurance).
10x skill increases = 5 Endurance Attribute Points to distribute during a Level Up.

 

[Ash]

There are mods to remove this/make HP retroactively apply regardless of when you level up endurance. This is a must to actually free spear from melee dominance. As-is, spamming spear from the get-go is a no-brainer.

 

[luj1]

The most powerful single weapon in vanilla is a certain dagger

 

[NecroLord]

The most powerful single weapon in vanilla is a certain dagger

Daggers also have the advantage of being very fast. With a really high Strength score you can just swing away mercilessly like a maniac while doing heavy damage.

 

[luj1]

There is also a ring more powerful than all weapons

 

[NecroLord]

There is also a ring more powerful than all weapons

Vampiric Ring?

 

[luj1]

Ring of Toxic Cloud

 

[Saldrone]

Man, the way how you could sell Dark Brotherhood armour due to how easy to kill those assassins are and obtaining and a full set of Orcish armour fairly early with cheese tactics pretty much trivializes the sense of economic struggle at early game

 

[Zed Duke of Banville]

Man, the way how you could sell Dark Brotherhood armour due to how easy to kill those assassins are and obtaining and a full set of Orcish armour fairly early with cheese tactics pretty much trivializes the sense of economic struggle at early game

Wouldn't be an issue, if Bethesda Softworks had simply placed a minimum level requirement on the initial assassination attempt.

 

[Fargus]

On shitbox version of the game minimum level is 6. On pc there is none. Later in the game you meet more powerful versions of the DB assassins as you level up. They should have just tied it to a certain point of the main quest without baring you from visiting Mournhold. Or just had better premise for assassinations and the Tribunal main quest... i don't know.

Helseth going apeshit over some newly arrived prisoner in Vvardenfell makes no sense.

 

[NecroLord]

Ring of Toxic Cloud

Never used it.
What does it do?

 

[Butter]

Ring of Toxic Cloud

Never used it.
What does it do?

Cast When Used
Poison 2-60 pts in 20ft for 10 secs on Touch

This is just one of many enchanted items the game gives you as a quest reward, and it's cooler than literally every item in Skyrim. Removing castable enchantments was the single biggest decline after Morrowind and I'll die on this hill.

 

[NecroLord]

Ring of Toxic Cloud

Never used it.
What does it do?

Cast When Used
Poison 2-60 pts in 20ft for 10 secs on Touch

This is just one of many enchanted items the game gives you as a quest reward, and it's cooler than literally every item in Skyrim. Removing castable enchantments was the single biggest decline after Morrowind and I'll die on this hill.

Damn, that's really good!
Though one has to be careful using it when fighting enemies with Spell Reflect...

 

[I eat frozen vegetables]

Man, the way how you could sell Dark Brotherhood armour due to how easy to kill those assassins are and obtaining and a full set of Orcish armour fairly early with cheese tactics pretty much trivializes the sense of economic struggle at early game

Wouldn't be an issue, if Bethesda Softworks had simply placed a minimum level requirement on the initial assassination attempt.

On shitbox version of the game minimum level is 6. On pc there is none. Later in the game you meet more powerful versions of the DB assassins as you level up. They should have just tied it to a certain point of the main quest without baring you from visiting Mournhold. Or just had better premise for assassinations and the Tribunal main quest... i don't know.

Helseth going apeshit over some newly arrived prisoner in Vvardenfell makes no sense.

This is why you always use the expansion delay mod.

 

[Morpheus Kitami]

On shitbox version of the game minimum level is 6. On pc there is none. Later in the game you meet more powerful versions of the DB assassins as you level up. They should have just tied it to a certain point of the main quest without baring you from visiting Mournhold. Or just had better premise for assassinations and the Tribunal main quest... i don't know.

Helseth going apeshit over some newly arrived prisoner in Vvardenfell makes no sense.

Isn't Helseth really paranoid? He probably heard of the Neverarine prophecy and decided he should nip that in the bud right away, because clearly that puts him in danger!

 

[Fargus]

On shitbox version of the game minimum level is 6. On pc there is none. Later in the game you meet more powerful versions of the DB assassins as you level up. They should have just tied it to a certain point of the main quest without baring you from visiting Mournhold. Or just had better premise for assassinations and the Tribunal main quest... i don't know.

Helseth going apeshit over some newly arrived prisoner in Vvardenfell makes no sense.

Isn't Helseth really paranoid? He probably heard of the Neverarine prophecy and decided he should nip that in the bud right away, because clearly that puts him in danger!

Could be. I looked up on when Helseth learns that you are Nerevarine but i can't find anything. There are many ways he could have done it though instead of sending assassins, like paying some pirates to sink your fucking ship at the sea, unless it was some Kasparov chess scheme to get rid of the Dark Brotherhood by making Nerevarine hate them...